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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 15:20:10 GMT -5
Doesn't mean you should. I would give up meat first. Recipes that not so long ago were the stuff of science-fiction are getting close to our real dinner plates. A scientist in the Netherlands is cloning meat. For now it's all in test-tubes, but he expects to have a sample clone-burger ready for cooking by the middle of next football season. The ultimate goal is to ditch the world's meat farms. A scientist at Maastricht University took stem cells from a cow and replicated them to build a strip of muscle tissue - basically a tiny piece of meat. By October, he plans to make a few thousand strips, mash them together like ground beef, and make a burger patty. www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/scitech/cloning-meat-test-tube-burger-stem-demand-for-unsustainable-meat-production-system-20120220
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Post by Sita on Apr 15, 2012 15:24:32 GMT -5
I can't wait until replicator technology comes around, honestly.
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Post by Random Panther on Apr 15, 2012 15:26:25 GMT -5
It will still be meat,chemical compositionally speaking.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 15:26:42 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a distrustful prick, okay drop the maybe, but I see so many ways this could be abused.
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Post by bigwillybear on Apr 15, 2012 15:28:27 GMT -5
It may well be that VAT grown meat will soon be the only sustainable source of meat. There exists a simple conversion factor that applies in every step of the food chain. Every step up the food chain entails a 90% loss of caloric input. So to grow 10 calories of meat requires 100 calories of grain. If India's population were not largely vegetarian then mass starvation would be the norm.
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Post by Random Panther on Apr 15, 2012 15:30:17 GMT -5
It will never do away with meat farms anyway,you can't do away with an industry without replacing it with an equally profitable one,and I don't see farmers turning into cloners.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 15:32:39 GMT -5
In the future Foodstuff 2000 will be piped straight into the home, where a single kitchen appliance will turn it into whatever meal the consumer requires. Until then we will have to make do with Soylent Green.
Bon appetit.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 15:36:54 GMT -5
Well, right now it will take months to grow a single burger and cost around $250,000, so I don't see this as being in the near future. I would still go to a soy burger first.
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 15, 2012 15:38:24 GMT -5
It may well be that VAT grown meat will soon be the only sustainable source of meat. There exists a simple conversion factor that applies in every step of the food chain. Every step up the food chain entails a 90% loss of caloric input. So to grow 10 calories of meat requires 100 calories of grain. If India's population were not largely vegetarian then mass starvation would be the norm. BadBeast's ascension to the ranks of the authorities has apparently caused some seismic shifty thing in the e-space time continuum -u-um-u- um and Penfold is having sporadic episodes of actual forum contribution making. I told you it was a good idea to get that free thinking drug addled anarchist in a management role. See what would happen if anarchists ruled the world? Oh and back on topic - he's right about the food thing....land used to raise meat for ten people would raise grain for 1,000. Still I distrust scientists as a rule and geneticists especially and I may well just become vego again when those fucking kids leave. At present if I stopped feeding them meat they'd starve as the feckers wont eat a vegetable that isn't soundly disguised by a lot of dead animal.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 15:43:12 GMT -5
I am not above cannibalism. I think I could enjoy a nice breast or rump roast.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 15:44:53 GMT -5
See what would happen if anarchists ruled the world I have spent a rare day out in the real world. I come back here and it's suddenly a lot less fun.
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on Apr 15, 2012 15:48:06 GMT -5
It will never do away with meat farms anyway,you can't do away with an industry without replacing it with an equally profitable one,and I don't see farmers turning into cloners. Farmers wouldn't turn to cloners, but cloners might replace farmers. As soon as the tech becomes cost effective, look to some big outfit like Monsanto to build a facility. Assuming people will buy the stuff (which ain't guaranteed - lots of people won't eat GMO's), and the price undercuts the farmers, then the farmers will be pushed out of business. Most of them anyway; I'm sure there will always remain some small local "artisan" producers that can charge a premium. Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like the idea of vat meat. It would be humane in that no living animal is being slaughtered, and assuming the technology is good, it could be more resource-efficient and environmentally safe than range land farming. Assuming any safety issues etc can be addressed, of course. Which I have to admit, knowing how the FDA works here in the states, is no guarantee.
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 15, 2012 15:52:48 GMT -5
See what would happen if anarchists ruled the world I have spent a rare day out in the real world. I come back here and it's suddenly a lot less fun. The bear is on the ropes already. Your avian arse is grass too.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 15:55:51 GMT -5
I think I am happy to be an old man. I have seen so many things change in my life, many for good, but things like this make my skin crawl. I know that cutting down rain forests so that McDonalds can serve you a super double beef thing is evil, but at the same time I know ranchers, that life is all they know. Honest, hard working people for the most part.
I admit to conflicting thoughts here.
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on Apr 15, 2012 15:57:30 GMT -5
It may well be that VAT grown meat will soon be the only sustainable source of meat. There exists a simple conversion factor that applies in every step of the food chain. Every step up the food chain entails a 90% loss of caloric input. So to grow 10 calories of meat requires 100 calories of grain. If India's population were not largely vegetarian then mass starvation would be the norm. Some meats are better than others. To grow one pound of meat you need: Beef: 13lbs of grain Pork: 5.9lbs of grain Chicken: 3lbs of grain So shifting from beef to chicken is more sustainable and healthier for you. I have contemplated going vegetarian, but I must admit I'm addicted to meat. But I do put forth effort to at least reduce my meat diet and increase fruit/veg.
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