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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 15:59:06 GMT -5
I have spent a rare day out in the real world. I come back here and it's suddenly a lot less fun. The bear is on the ropes already. Your avian arse is grass too. My point exactly.
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 15, 2012 15:59:45 GMT -5
If we all ett only the meat we could catch, shoot, trap or slaughter ourselves the whole planet would be better off.
The poor fecking animals most certainly would be.
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 15, 2012 16:02:45 GMT -5
The bear is on the ropes already. Your avian arse is grass too. My point exactly.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 16:18:11 GMT -5
If we all ett only the meat we could catch, shoot, trap or slaughter ourselves the whole planet would be better off. The poor fecking animals most certainly would be. Ah, WE - my least favourite word. the preachy self-righteous we. The trouble is with we is there are far too many of we, and most of we live in cities where we cannot play noble savage.
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on Apr 15, 2012 16:19:43 GMT -5
If we all ett only the meat we could catch, shoot, trap or slaughter ourselves the whole planet would be better off. The poor fecking animals most certainly would be. I wonder how well that would go over in places like New York City. Solve the rat problem anyway.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 16:22:32 GMT -5
I wonder what the caloric difference in fish is.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 16:30:03 GMT -5
I wonder what the caloric difference in fish is. Lovely fish. Except of course WE are over-fishing the oceans. You can't win.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 16:36:29 GMT -5
I wonder what the caloric difference in fish is. Lovely fish. Except of course WE are over-fishing the oceans. You can't win. Here in the U.S. they grow fish and stock the lakes. Fishing license fees go largely to pay for the hatcheries. Also there are catch limits on number and size, you can't keep fish between x and y inches because that is prime breeding size.
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Post by bigwillybear on Apr 15, 2012 16:37:59 GMT -5
I wonder what the caloric difference in fish is. Makes no difference. If you have cows eating grain or big fish eating little fish its a 90% loss at every step. So you generaly start off with a million calories of sunlight becoming a few hundred calories of food on the table. Unless its porridge.
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Post by BadBeast on Apr 15, 2012 16:38:24 GMT -5
I've got no problem with the raising of livestock as a food source. However, if we are to exploit the domestication of whole species for food, I think the least we should do in order to morally justify it, is to treat the animals concerned with a bit of fucking dignity while they are alive. Intensive farming as it is today, leaves much to be desired. Afew years ago, there was a disease that killed an awful lot of sheep. Then some bright spark came up with a brainwave, to get rid of all the carcasses. They were kiln dried, and ground up into pellets and cake, then . . . (And this is the real perversion) FED TO CATTLE! Now, dead, sick sheep were never, ever meant to be part of a Cow's diet. But what the fuck, they all thought, "Who cares? They're only fucking Cattle.
The Sheep's disease was called "Scrapie". But it crossed over into the Cows as B.S.E. (Well, fuck me, who'd have thought . . . ) Then passed into the Human food chain, through the disgusting practice of "Mechanically recovering "meat products". This consists of taking the butchered carcasses of cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys, whatever, after all the meat had been taken off and subjecting them to high pressure water jets that blast every last bit of soft tissue away from the bone, so they could make cheap burgers, sausages, and mince from the grey organic sludge that was left behind when the water was drained away.
However, the cows that had eaten the sick sheep, passed the sickness on to us, through their mashed up brains and spinal cords, as C.J.D. A delightful little syndrome with an up to 20 year incubation period, that leads to irreversible brain and neurological degeneration in humans.
It gets worse. The symptoms of CJD are identical to Alzhiemer's, in the elderly. And Alzhiemer's sufferers usually die from other causes. Like "Old Age". Death certificate says "Natural causes" Which requires no inquest. But when, on occasion, an autopsy has been carried out on someone who has Alzhiemers, upon examination of the brain, it has been found that the patient has advanced CJD. From eating infected beef in the 1980s.
This uncomfortable fact is whitewashed by the Medical Community, who have adopted a policy of "not stating Alzheimer's as a cause of death". This ensures the body will not have to undergo an autopsy involving examination of the brain. Because examination of the brain is the only way to differentiate between CJD and Alzhiemer's. Because a CJD sufferer has huge holes in the brain that Alzhiemer's sufferers don't have.
But because they're diagnosed with Alzhiemer's, (which doesn't 'cause' death) the brain is rarely looked at.
Levels of Alzhiemers, and Parkinsonism, (both of which share primary symptoms with CJD) have dramatically risen over the past 20 years. So no-one knows for sure the extent that "New Variant" CJD has become endemic in the population, solely because no-one cares to look!
If we are to continue to safely eat Cows and Sheep, then the Cows and Sheep must be allowed a more a natural diet. Grass or cereal based would be ideal. Diet based around dead, sick animals, must be off the menu.
Shouldn't really need fucking saying, should it?
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 15, 2012 16:43:21 GMT -5
If we all ett only the meat we could catch, shoot, trap or slaughter ourselves the whole planet would be better off. The poor fecking animals most certainly would be. Ah, WE - my least favourite word. the preachy self-righteous we. The trouble is with we is there are far too many of we, and most of we live in cities where we cannot play noble savage. Then "we" can eat more fucking rice and beans. The resources of the planet are finite...and the numbers of we humans on it seems to have no upper limit. Esp in the west where we are insisting they advance medical science to allow us to live a lot more than our basic biology would have allowed us to. It's not OK that people in the third world are dying of starvation so that we in the privileged cities of the west might get our meat and three veg a day. It's not OK that my kids will grow up to hand onto theirs a dead planet with no beauty or freedom or hope left on it. If that's preachy then so be it.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 16:46:21 GMT -5
Here in the western part of the States cows usually are just turned to pasture until they are sent to the feed lots. The feed lots are a different story though, heavily crowded and grain fed to fatten them up. In turn they produce huge amounts of dung which can pile up and has to be regularly removed by heavy machinery.
I don't know about the genetically altered beeves as I never eat that meat.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 16:48:46 GMT -5
Lovely fish. Except of course WE are over-fishing the oceans. You can't win. Here in the U.S. they grow fish and stock the lakes. Fishing license fees go largely to pay for the hatcheries. Also there are catch limits on number and size, you can't keep fish between x and y inches because that is prime breeding size. Very noble. But if you scale that up to feed millions and apply similar rules to trawlers, all you get is the wrong kind of fish getting thrown back, probably dead, to appease distant bureaucrats and pious greenies who have never been on a boat in their life. You get the Scottish fishing industry thriving - with Spanish boats, Spanish crews unloading their politically correct catches onto Spanish trucks driven by Spanish drivers ... you get that great fishing nation Belgium allowed to take more fish from the Irish sea than the UK..... TOO MANY PEOPLE. Sorry to rant, but this place used to be fun. Now it's like the Junior Debating Society.
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Post by admin on Apr 15, 2012 16:49:25 GMT -5
Well, the human population is approaching 8 billion. There are more births every minute than there are deaths. The myth of the 1:1 replacement theory falls on its ass in the face of facts. Our planet should not have to support more than 2 or 3 billion at most. We are breeding ourselves into extinction.
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Post by philipkduck on Apr 15, 2012 16:49:44 GMT -5
Ah, WE - my least favourite word. the preachy self-righteous we. The trouble is with we is there are far too many of we, and most of we live in cities where we cannot play noble savage. Then "we" can eat more fucking rice and beans. The resources of the planet are finite...and the numbers of we humans on it seems to have no upper limit. Esp in the west where we are insisting they advance medical science to allow us to live a lot more than our basic biology would have allowed us to. It's not OK that people in the third world are dying of starvation so that we in the privileged cities of the west might get our meat and three veg a day. It's not OK that my kids will grow up to hand onto theirs a dead planet with no beauty or freedom or hope left on it. If that's preachy then so be it. Too many WE. Soylent Green.
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