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Post by marisol on Jun 7, 2012 17:17:23 GMT -5
Journalists and bystanders have been arrested at protests over the last several months. Their crime? Taking photographs and videos of political protests in public spaces. The law is clear: Its everyones right to document police activity in public areas. Law enforcement has lost sight of this constitutional right. We need to give them a reminder. 1.Stop the police assault on our 1st Amendment protections and defend everyones right to record. 2.Demand that the Justice Department honor and defend every- ones 1st Amendment right to record in public.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 17:33:29 GMT -5
Law enforcement has lost sight of their whole reason for being, and their first and most important motto: To serve and protect.
That used to be written on every single police vehicle in the nation, now, at least in my state, every time they upgrade to new cars they leave it off!
Pretty telling, I think.
And, I'm with you Marisol, we ALL need to yell about this, as long and loudly as it takes!
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Jun 7, 2012 17:34:59 GMT -5
You talk as if the Constitution is still in effect...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 17:41:37 GMT -5
If we don't start pushing back it will be dead and buried. I started protesting, loudly, many years ago!
There has been an assault on our freedoms and property rights for more than 20 years, slowly eroding them, taking bigger and bigger bites and now it's all coming crashing in on us. When I first started mouthing off about it everyone else said "oh, you're imagining things". Or, "But, it will protect us" Or "That doesn't directly affect me, why should I worry about it?"
Well, it turns out, I haven't been imagining things, it's not going to protect us from shit and now it does directly affect everyone.
It's frustrating as all hell! I love this country, it's diversity, it's natural beauty. I HATE what the people that call themselves Americans are letting "authority" do to it! But, sitting around telling each other about it is sort of preaching to the choir. We ALL have to push back! This country is ripe for a revolution and I'm joining up!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 17:42:22 GMT -5
This might be considered Sedition, I don't know, I just know that I can't sit and watch it happen any more.
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Jun 7, 2012 18:05:42 GMT -5
See ya in the Camps.
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Post by marisol on Jun 7, 2012 18:57:19 GMT -5
It's ok Hatter it is horrid and hard to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2012 22:42:05 GMT -5
SOMEBODY has to brave what will have to come. I don't know about you, but, I have children and grandchildren I'm not willing to allow any more of this BS to happen to. I'm petrified for them!
We let it get like this, we have to fix it because if we wait and hope our kids will, it will be too fucking late!
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Post by watershield on Jun 7, 2012 23:41:28 GMT -5
As long as the protest meets local bylaws and things remain peaceful, no one would stop any protest. And from what I've seen haven't.
When the demonstration is contrary to the law, without permits, or functioning outside the limits of those permits, it becomes an unlawful assembly and law enforcement is within their rights to order it to stop disband or face the consequence.
Under those circumstances journalist as well can be order to cease what they are doing and leave the area. If they don't they become part of the problem and subject to those same consequences.
When things start going south, bystanders would do well to remove themselves from the problem area. Failing to do so is just stupid.
But then, I was trained by the military in riot control back in the 70's. In those days we were trained to shot the leaders to eliminate the organizers and destabilize the crowd.
If it continued to rage, shot anyone committing vandalism or spurring on the crowd.
You can debate that all you want from an intellectual level. But I lived it and saw it it in real life and it worked.
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Jun 8, 2012 8:36:29 GMT -5
By its very nature, a 'permit' to protest indicates that the 'right' to protest is not a right. If you have to go to the government to beg permission to do anything, then it is no longer a right in any way.
Watershield, we kinda saw how that kind of mentality worked out at Kent State...
When the government tramples the rights of the people, then the people have a patriotic responsibility to seize those rights back by any means required.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 10:28:27 GMT -5
Watershield, bugger what you were "trained" to do. How do YOU feel about turning on your own countrymen and women? Desperate times call for desperate measures and many times the "law" is not the citizens friend.
Do you support banning firearms?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 10:47:19 GMT -5
watershield doesn't live in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2012 10:48:59 GMT -5
Doesn't matter, the question still applies, US or not.
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Post by watershield on Jun 8, 2012 11:06:02 GMT -5
No, I live in Canada. And yes I support banning some types of fire arms, hand guns, semi auto and fully auto rifles. Basically anything that would not be considered appropriate for hunting deer or rabbits.
A permit allows local authorities to prepare a designated area in a way that will minimize the disruption of commerce and ensure the peace is maintained.
We've had many unauthorized protests up here and they have been allowed to proceed, as long as they stay non violent and without property damage. When that changes, arrests are made.
Kent State was not a trained event. It was inexperienced national guardsmen going GI Joe and reacting from fear of being overwhelmed. I've read a number of the transcripts from that event.
However if we look at say the Vancouver hockey riot, we had a small group of Black Bloc agitators working up the crowd and intentionally starting violence and damage. Those would be the targets and I would have no problem pulling the trigger.
There is a big difference between peaceful civil disobedience and a riot.
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on Jun 8, 2012 11:20:35 GMT -5
No, I live in Canada. And yes I support banning some types of fire arms, hand guns, semi auto and fully auto rifles. Basically anything that would not be considered appropriate for hunting deer or rabbits. A permit allows local authorities to prepare a designated area in a way that will minimize the disruption of commerce and ensure the peace is maintained. We've had many unauthorized protests up here and they have been allowed to proceed, as long as they stay non violent and without property damage. When that changes, arrests are made. Kent State was not a trained event. It was inexperienced national guardsmen going GI Joe and reacting from fear of being overwhelmed. I've read a number of the transcripts from that event. However if we look at say the Vancouver hockey riot, we had a small group of Black Bloc agitators working up the crowd and intentionally starting violence and damage. Those would be the targets and I would have no problem pulling the trigger. There is a big difference between peaceful civil disobedience and a riot. When you say "pull the trigger" does that include deadly force, or something else like rubber bullets? At what point would the police be authorized to take a life in a situation like this? For my part, I support the legalization of guns so long as there is some level of gun control. Permits, registration, background checks etc. Why not, we do the same for cars, since they too have the capacity to do a lot of damage. I work with the mentally ill, and trust me, there are some people you do NOT want to have easy access to weapons. |
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