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Post by The Mad Hatter on Oct 12, 2012 0:58:49 GMT -5
The man was a murderer, rapist and pedophile, yet he is espoused as an American Hero. Go stand beside Custer you bastard. TUCSON -- Outrage was the response to the news that Tucson schools has banned books, including "Rethinking Columbus," with an essay by award-winning Pueblo author Leslie Marmon Silko, who lives in Tucson, and works by Buffy Sainte Marie, Winona LaDuke, Leonard Peltier and Rigoberta Menchu. The decision to ban Chicano and Native American books follows the 4 to 1 vote on Tuesday by the Tucson Unified School District board to succumb to the State of Arizona, and forbid Mexican American Studies, rather than fight the state decision. The banned book, "Rethinking Columbus," includes work by many Native Americans, as Debbie Reese reports, the book includes: buffy-sainte-marie.blogspot.fr/2012/01/tucson-schools-bans-books-by-native.html |
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Oct 12, 2012 1:04:53 GMT -5
Millions of people around the world celebrate Columbus Day every October 12. The tale of Christopher Columbus, the legendary Genoese explorer and navigator, has been retold and rewritten many times. To some, he was an intrepid explorer, following his instincts to a New World. To others, he was a monster, a slave trader who unleashed the horrors of the conquest on unsuspecting natives. What are the facts about Christopher Columbus? latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thevoyagesofcolumbus/a/09columbustruth.htm |
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Post by BadBeast on Oct 12, 2012 4:09:00 GMT -5
I think I remember reading somewhere that the Portuguese were quietly and discretely going to and fro from the New World for anything up to 70 years before Columbus drifted over.
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Oct 12, 2012 4:50:04 GMT -5
There is evidence that Pre-Clovis man existed in the Americas 50,000 years ago.
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Post by Sita on Oct 12, 2012 7:32:09 GMT -5
I never really understood why Columbus was given such a big deal in all of it.
People have been here natively and have been coming here in boats for eons (I remember reading about vikings landing on the continent and something about a guy named Amerigo)
But for some odd reason Columbus is the guy everyone latched onto and praises for the 'discovery'.
He's definitely not worth having a holiday.
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Post by Jenne on Oct 12, 2012 13:04:26 GMT -5
It's the Italians, I believe, who tend to have a huge hard on still for Columbus. And large urban cities like San Francisco and New York still have Columbus Day parades...it's a matter of civic and cultural pride to them, regardless of the shitty outcome on the natives, I suppose.
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Post by User on Oct 12, 2012 13:38:57 GMT -5
Columbus day was Thanksgiving for those silly Canehdians.
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Post by BadBeast on Oct 12, 2012 16:48:05 GMT -5
I never really understood why Columbus was given such a big deal in all of it. People have been here natively and have been coming here in boats for eons (I remember reading about vikings landing on the continent and something about a guy named Amerigo) . Amerigo Vespacci was the lookout in the Crow's Nest who first spotted landfall. And last year, or the year before, an off duty British Navy Diving expedition were diving in Rio de Janiero harbour when they found a couple of Amphora on the Ocean bed. On closer inspection, they also found what could only be the wreckege of a Roman Ship. They informed the Brasilian authorities of the find, and within two days, they had a dredger out there on the site, destroying whatever evidence might have been down there. So . . . . well, presumably so Silvio Berlisconni didn't claim Brazil as an Italian colony. |
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Post by Sita on Oct 12, 2012 18:38:01 GMT -5
I never really understood why Columbus was given such a big deal in all of it. People have been here natively and have been coming here in boats for eons (I remember reading about vikings landing on the continent and something about a guy named Amerigo) . Amerigo Vespacci was the lookout in the Crow's Nest who first spotted landfall. Somehow I'm not surprised my teacher was wrong on that. |
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Oct 20, 2012 20:19:24 GMT -5
I know you're all gonna think "ayez is a FKN nutter" BUT the reason Columbus "found" America is because he had a map to show him where to go.
furthermore, there is evidence that there were Roman Forts in the Ohio valley and that presumably these were overrun by the American Indians..
the Romans were mining copper from America and taking it back to the Mediterranean
I'm sure I could find more info if I looked for it.
Our history has been falsified up to the eyeballs. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are born into a giant psyop that starts when you are born and continues until the day you die!
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Post by StormInateacup on Oct 20, 2012 20:31:23 GMT -5
I know you're all gonna think "ayez is a FKN nutter" BUT the reason Columbus "found" America is because he had a map to show him where to go. furthermore, there is evidence that there were Roman Forts in the Ohio valley and that presumably these were overrun by the American Indians.. the Romans were mining copper from America and taking it back to the Mediterranean I'm sure I could find more info if I looked for it. Our history has been falsified up to the eyeballs. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are born into a giant psyop that starts when you are born and continues until the day you die! Vikings had settled in the Americas as far back as the first century too. And from the evidence found it appears they lived in relative harmony with the Native populations, even engaging in trade and social interactions. There also a lot of evidence to say that the so called "Dark Ages" are so dark because they never freakin' happened...and that this isn't the year 2012 at all but sometime in the 1700's....400 years got added to the calendar by some king or other who wanted to be seen by history as having been on the throne on the first millennium. eta: Errata; That was supposed to be "the first millennia" not "the 1st century"  |
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Oct 20, 2012 21:25:54 GMT -5
I know you're all gonna think "ayez is a FKN nutter" BUT the reason Columbus "found" America is because he had a map to show him where to go. furthermore, there is evidence that there were Roman Forts in the Ohio valley and that presumably these were overrun by the American Indians.. the Romans were mining copper from America and taking it back to the Mediterranean I'm sure I could find more info if I looked for it. Our history has been falsified up to the eyeballs. I've said it before and I'll say it again: we are born into a giant psyop that starts when you are born and continues until the day you die! Vikings had settled in the Americas as far back as the first century too. And from the evidence found it appears they lived in relative harmony with the Native populations, even engaging in trade and social interactions. There also a lot of evidence to say that the so called "Dark Ages" are so dark because they never freakin' happened...and that this isn't the year 2012 at all but sometime in the 1700's....400 years got added to the calendar by some king or other who wanted to be seen by history as having been on the throne on the first millennium. the "dark ages" happened because some "experts" wanted to link some stuff from Israel to some stuff in the Bible - thereby validating the Jewish claim to Plaestine and the Bible at the same time - the problem is that they should be linking the bible to stuff around Egypt rather than Palestine so they had to force a timeline and a chronology in order to fit the stuff they wanted to fit archeologists use carbon dating but they fuck it up by using a "calibration" factor when really its an "error" factor - they take a number that's right and they make it wrong by using their calibration factor - they're making the carbon dating fit their erroneous theories when it hsould be the other way round there were no "dark ages" stuff has always been happeneing. There are not 500 years when everybody went to sleep. as for Vikings, apparently Gotland comes from "God land" as for Britain, the Gododin basically means the people of God.... etc... I know a lot of stuff about stuff but not really an expert on anything! |
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Post by Jenne on Oct 21, 2012 12:12:12 GMT -5
Wow. Why is this the first I'm hearing of this shit? My son's taking "Dead White European Male" history this year in high school--Imma float this by him and have him jazz up his class summat.  |
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Oct 21, 2012 19:43:01 GMT -5
Wow. Why is this the first I'm hearing of this shit? My son's taking "Dead White European Male" history this year in high school--Imma float this by him and have him jazz up his class summat. oh no! these opinions of mine are all unofficial and as such are gauranteed to be entierly wrong because only the most official officials are ever right, doncha know!?! |
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Post by BadBeast on Oct 21, 2012 20:20:05 GMT -5
Ayez, you're not wrong about here anything really. Although finding any official corroboration might be tricky. The New World / Old World Trade has been going on since at least as far back as Egypt's Old Kingdom, because they found Coca leaves among Royal Grave goods.
And the Dark Ages in Britain, (from when the last Legions left for Rome, up until Alfred the Great) were pretty quiet, because it was the longest period of peace in our History. Oh, apart from a few border skirmishes between the South and West Saxons, and Danish settlers. Even the Battle of Ethandune between Alfred and the Danes probably only involved a few dozen men each side. I live right where the Battle was supposed to have taken place, and nobody knows exactly where it was, because of the lack of hard evidence.
What we do know, is that in Anglo Saxon times, we lived longer, ate healthier, and had to work less days per year than we do today. We had a better quality of life under Anglo Saxon Feudalism than we do today. But the only written History is from a few uneducated superstitious Christiaan Monks.
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