One tweet to ruin your life

[marisol]

Witchi is right, freedom of speech that little girl has, but it can't be used to incite murder. And
for all we know some crazy out there took her idiotic tweet to heart and may attempt to hurt Obama or her. She can hate anyone she chooses, but some things should be kept to ourselves.

I have been acused of hating Obama, People of color in general, Democrats, Muslims,etc.
But I don't hate anyone and never said I did. Greivances can be aired quite well using the
Freedom of speech, but you have to know how to use it and how you can't use it. It could
be said she solicited murder by her statement, but at the very least its treason.

[The Mad Hatter]

She is a brain damaged teen who is only parroting her parents.

[StormInateacup]

She was NOT trying to incite the assassination of anyone. Did she say "I will pay someone to shoot that cunt?" Did she say "I will provide the gun to shoot that cunt?" Did she even say "Please someone do me a favour. Go to that Conference and shoot that cunt"

NO!!

She said "someone should assassinate him"

Is that treason? Is it inciting murder?

Not to any rational fucking adult mind it isn't. It is a typical not very articulate 16 year old Bitchface thing to say . If she hated someone at school, do you know what she'd say to them?

"You're so ugly Clara-May. Someone should kill you. Just hurry up and die bitch!"

But go on....lynch her in effigy. Allow adult journalists to call for a massed online pursuit of her without condemnation for the irresponsibility of that act. Insist that the Feds lock her up and water-board her to find her co-conspirators..

Make a martyr out of her for all the fucktard Klanners to hang their cries of "We poor whiteys is so persecuted" on.

But when/if Romney is elected don't Libtards calling for this kid's rendition fucking DARE cry that any one is pursuing their kid unjustly for speaking out against him in the terms they use every day among their peers.

[BadBeast]

Sept 8, 2012 8:56:37 GMT -5 @witchipoo said:

WE, the people of the United States, elected PRESIDENT Obama, we also elected PRESIDENT Bush, publicly calling for the assassination of the president of this country is treason, whether one is a 50 year old "libtard" or a 16 year old fucking republican.
I don't really care what you do, burn effigies, burn our flags, we have more problems to worry about than hostiles in other countries symbolically murdering our leaders, but, be assured, if you came HERE and publicly called for the assassination of one of our leaders you would be sent packing.

But it's OK for America to go around the World calling for the assassination of other country's leaders? How many regime changes has America been actively behind in the past 15-20 years? How many little rebel groups suddenly find themselves funded and armed with American weapons and money?

Again I say, just so we are clear, inciting murder is does NOT fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech. She can express her opinion of hatred all she wants, I hope her hatred eats her alive.
She just can't deliberately try to get someone murdered.

The umbrella of "Freedom of speech"? That's a pretty ragged looking umbrella. I wouldn't like to have to keep the rain off with that.
She didn't "deliberately try to get someone murdered", that would involve some kind of active attempt on someone's life, and that just hasn't happened. I thought freedom of speech included the right to say stupid shit. Not just stupid shit that you may or may not agree with.

[Jenne]

I always thought the "don't incite assasination" type of thing a little well, aggro, on the part of our legislature. I mean, I understand why, it's to keep that from happening (instability in government is bred in this type of incitement...and there was a time when the US was very very unstable). Now, I tend to think the law's a bit antiquated. No one with SENSE is going to listen to a 16 year old cow and drum up a lynch mob to grab the president by his short hairs and hang him up from the nearest tree. Though, I can tell there are enough "back-to-the-Klan"'ners that have fashioned themselves into "freedumb fighters" in the South who'd love nothing MORE than to do that.

Be that as it may...TIS THE LAW. *shrug* And as such, she violated it. She's beyond an idiot now, she's a criminal. *shrug* Stupid is as stupid does. There's two pieces of speech we are told we are not allowed to utter in public when we're schoolchildren here in the US:

"FIRE!" (when there is none)

and

[WHAT THAT LITTLE IDIOTIC BITCH SAID HERE]

Still better than that "can't deny the Haulocaust" law in Yurp.

[StormInateacup]

Sept 8, 2012 10:23:23 GMT -5 BadBeast said:

Sept 8, 2012 8:56:37 GMT -5 @witchipoo said:

But it's OK for America to go around the World calling for the assassination of other country's leaders? How many regime changes has America been actively behind in the past 15-20 years? How many little rebel groups suddenly find themselves funded and armed with American weapons and money?

Again I say, just so we are clear, inciting murder is does NOT fall under the umbrella of freedom of speech. She can express her opinion of hatred all she wants, I hope her hatred eats her alive.
She just can't deliberately try to get someone murdered.

The umbrella of "Freedom of speech"? That's a pretty ragged looking umbrella. I wouldn't like to have to keep the rain off with that.
She didn't "deliberately try to get someone murdered", that would involve some kind of active attempt on someone's life, and that just hasn't happened. I thought freedom of speech included the right to say stupid shit. Not just stupid shit that you may or may not agree with.

Yes that's right. That prick has a "kill" list of American citizens who he seems to think its OK to execute without trial. He apparently invaded a friendly nation and had a man murdered....that the man was Osama Bin Laden seems to make it Ok with all of you but to my mind its murder pure and simple.

He funded the arseholes who sodomised Gaddaffi before slaughtering him in the streets...and we televised it and cheered. it

..but HE is to be immune from any perception or implication of threat....no matter how far fetched and empty it might be??

WTF?

[Jenne]

UH...Pakistan AIN'T friendly, Stormi. lol. Just sayin.

[StormInateacup]

Sept 8, 2012 10:35:10 GMT -5 Jenne said:

UH...Pakistan AIN'T friendly, Stormi. lol. Just sayin.

Well ah...yeah...officially you're fucking allies. I mean its soured a lot since your navy INVADED them I will admit....but here, from the Libtard golden organ itself...The Huffington Post:

ISLAMABAD -- You know a friendship has gone sour when you start making mean jokes about your friend in front of his most bitter nemesis.
So it was a bad sign this week when the U.S. defense secretary joshed in front of an audience of Indians about how Washington kept Pakistan in the dark about the raid that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden a year ago.

"They didn't know about our operation. That was the whole idea," Leon Panetta said with a chuckle at a Q&A session after a speech in New Delhi, raising laughs from the audience. The Bin Laden raid by U.S. commandos in a Pakistani town infuriated Islamabad because it had no advance notice, and it was seen by Pakistan's powerful military as a humiliation.

The U.S. and Pakistan are starting to look more like enemies than allies, threatening the U.S. fight against Taliban and al-Qaida militants based in the country and efforts to stabilize neighboring Afghanistan before American troops withdraw.

Long plagued by frustration and mistrust, the relationship has plunged to its lowest level since the 9/11 attacks forced the countries into a tight but awkward embrace over a decade ago. The U.S. has lost its patience with Pakistan and taken the gloves off to make its anger clear.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/09/us-pakistan-relation_n_1583648.html

They are supposed to be your fucking ALLIES. It might have been polite to ask them if you could send in the troops...or be honest and disolve the alliance.

[The Mad Hatter]

The US government be honest???

In what fucking universe?

[marisol]

None of this has anything to do with this little girl. She didn't just make a remark to a friend.
She told the whole damn world. There are some things we do not say in public. We can say anything we want, but we must be prepared to be held accountable. She broke the law by threatening the President. Yeah people probably make that statement everyday, but usually
not in public.

[StormInateacup]

Sept 8, 2012 10:49:25 GMT -5 The Mad Hatter said:

The US government be honest???

In what fucking universe?

Yeah well......point taken.

[BadBeast]

When you actually examine just how much of a threat it was . . . I mean, it's not like she's anywhere near the "threats that are actually threats" level of the radar.

Assess just how at risk Obama was from what she said. The answer is somewhere between "Not at all", and a laugh. And Treason? That's ridiculous. Treason is plotting to overthrow your heads of State, it's the domain of small cells of fifth columnists, with foreign funding, and barrels of gunpowder.

She's clearly just a stupid girl. sayin' stupid girl stuff. Anyone who thinks she's anything but that needs to have their feet examined.

eta: Or something

[The Mad Hatter]

Freedom of speech does not include freedom from the consequences of exercising that freedom.

[BadBeast]

Sept 8, 2012 12:56:04 GMT -5 The Mad Hatter said:

Freedom of speech does not include freedom from the consequences of exercising that freedom.

As long as any consequences are applied solely by the State, yes. We've touched on this before Hatter, when I made that very point myself, re the WBC. I argued that the consequences of their hatespew should include having to face the wrath of those people who are outraged by their actions.

But the WBC are legally off limits from having to take responsibility for that, because they are protected by the Freedom of Speech bill. Instead, the bill would prosecute anyone showing their perfectly valid outrage at for instance, their crass desecration of some poor dead boy's funeral. If the grievers were to cross the street in order to bitchslap those braying hatemongers, (not an unreasonable response, considering)
then they would be criminally prosecuted. So, in this case, the WBC are therefore absolved from having to consider the consequences of their actions.

If the Freedom of Speech bill enables such an abhorrent practice to happen, then it is fundamentally flawed. I wonder how many of these funerals would be disrupted if they risked getting kerbstomped for doing so?

Would this be any "righter"? I wouldn't presume to Judge, but really It doesn't matter. It would be honest for a start. A proportional response to an act of deliberate abuse, administered by those who were attacked and abused, to those who were responsible for said abuse. What more perfect example of true "Justice" can you provide via ineffective legislation?

Any punitive measures the State takes against this girl, would be disproportionately harsh, when the magnitude (or lack of it) of the threat she caused is taken into account. The action of a Tyrant, or a Despot.
I know that technically, you can dress it up as "Treason", "Attempted Murder", or "Terrorism", but at the end of the day, I stand by my earlier statement that this is a case "just a stupid girl. sayin' stupid girl stuff".

Terrorists, by their remit, cause, or allow to be caused, a state of "Terror" in their targets. This girl rates no more than one ironically raised eyebrow on the Terror scale. So she's not a terrorist.

Treason? Treason concerns plots to overthrow the Government. Since she clearly acted alone, and her "plot" consisted of one single tweet, out in the open, I think we can dispense with that one too.

And I think she's probably learned any lesson this debacle has to offer her, don't you? She'll definitely proxy in next time she decides to murder the President.

[The Mad Hatter]

WBC has faced consequences. Their church is constantly defaced, laws have been passed at the federal level concerning how close they can get with their protests and by and large they face the scorn of a nation.

In addition since TPA, freedom of speech in this country has become an antiquated myth. Just saying a movie 'bombed' in a airport is grounds for being arrested.

Occupy laws preventing protesting in 'designated' areas are in place that far exceed any Occupy protests and spill over to all protests.

Flipping a cop off is considered assault, yes, physical assault.

The myth that was the US is retreating into legend.