Social Security number?!

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I came across this today and thought those of us in Amurka might find it of interest.
Discuss?


"Social Security -
For those who will actually understand the truth...

This is what the SSN office sent me after i requested some proof of the law requiring a SSN Number...

TEH2B
PK3027
February 2, 2006

xxxx Avenue South
XXXX, XXXXX _
Dear Mr._

This is in response to your letter requesting the law that requires the use of a Social Security number.

The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number to live and work in the United States, nor does it require a Social Security number simply
for the purpose of having one. However, if someone works without a Social Security number, we cannot properly credit the earnings for the work performed, and the worker may lose any potential entitlement to Social Security benefits.

Other laws require people to have and use Social Security numbers for specific purposes.

For example, the Internal Revenue Code (26 V.S,c. 6109 ( and applicable regulations (26 CFR 301 .6109-I(does require a person to gel and use a Social Security number on tax
documents and to furnish the number to any other person or institution (such as an employer or a bank) that is required to provide the Internal Revenue Service (IRS)
information about payments to that person. There are penalties for failure to do so. The IRS also requires employers to report Social Security numbers with employees' earnings.

In addition, people filing tax returns for taxable years after December 31 ,1994, generally must include the Social Security number of each dependent.

The Privacy Act regulates the use of Social Security numbers by government agencies.

They may require a Social Security number only if a law or regulation either orders or authorizes them to do so. Agencies are required to disclose the authorizing law or
regulation. If the request has no legal basis, the person may refuse to provide the number and still receive the agency's services. However, the law does not apply to private sector organizations. Such an organization can refuse its services to anyone who does not provide the number on request.

We hope you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,
Annie White
Associate Commissioner
Office of Public Inquiries"

[The Mad Hatter]

WTF

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Sept 3, 2012 15:31:37 GMT -5 The Mad Hatter said:

WTF

I know, right?

[ayezatulbrite]

there were no laws in that letter, only statutes and regulations.... she lied when she talked about "law"

and what does "generally must" mean?

was it signed? because if it wasn't signed it carries no legal authority

[ayezatulbrite]

the social security number is your bond number, it's your slave number, it's beacause there is no gold backing the US dollar only slaves

it's your collateral number, that's why dead bodies are referred to as collateral damage

it's because the US, and almost every other country, is a corporation operating under bankruptcy laws, or is it statutes?!?

[ayezatulbrite]

statute = status = so state us (the people in power)

[ayezatulbrite]

and if you don't pay up they will send over a police officer... a policy officer who's job it is to enforce policy not necessarily law

[marisol]

Well you see we are bonded servants.. no I'm kidding ya hunn. If you want to receive income
tax money due to ya or receive social security benefits when you retire or become disabled
you must have a number. Even children you have and claim as a dependent must have a number. If you don't need these things you don't need a number. It's their way of making sure ya pay taxes, etc.,etc. If ya are afraid the police may come after ya, set up a fake ID.
We don't have to tell the police anything just request a lawyer.

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Seems to me that never having or using a SS #, if it is doable, would mean one could work all their life and put away what they WOULD have had stolen from them by the IRS for their own retirement/disability AND taxes is a much more dependable way to make sure the money will be there when one needs it.
Let's face it, giving it to the government and HOPING it will still be there when one needs it is rather stupid.

[The Mad Hatter]

Tax evasion = prison time.

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Sept 3, 2012 18:40:48 GMT -5 The Mad Hatter said:

Tax evasion = prison time.

But, is it tax evasion if one has no SS#?
The letter does say it's not a LAW that we have to have one.
The letter does say that "entities" are required to report paid income using our SS#.
I admit, I'm scratching my head over this one.

[The Mad Hatter]

Doublespeak, because one can't opt out of Medicare taxes.

[marisol]

If you're rich enough you can get away with anything .

[ayezatulbrite]

Sept 3, 2012 17:00:18 GMT -5 marisol said:

Well you see we are bonded servants.. no I'm kidding ya hunn. If you want to receive income
tax money due to ya or receive social security benefits when you retire or become disabled
you must have a number. Even children you have and claim as a dependent must have a number. If you don't need these things you don't need a number. It's their way of making sure ya pay taxes, etc.,etc. If ya are afraid the police may come after ya, set up a fake ID.
We don't have to tell the police anything just request a lawyer.

the idea is that you pay them, say $100,000, and then they give you back $10,000

they crash economies because they want to give you back $5,000 instead of the $10,000

natonal debts are a scam and we are all debt slaves even if we never made any debt

[firesong]

Sept 3, 2012 21:25:28 GMT -5 marisol said:

If you're rich enough you can get away with anything .

Fortunately, this isn't exactly accurate... though it does make it a bit easier...