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Post by BadBeast on Aug 30, 2012 19:09:23 GMT -5
Another big reason for supporting Israel is that there are a lot of former Americans who emigrated there, and became citizens... there's a tie between our people that doesn't exist elsewhere. While there are many ex-pat Americans in Israel, you can hardly claim that as a unique factor. Israel has Jewish immigrants from all over the World. And I suspect the number of American's who actually emigrated to Israel is comparatively low. It's like America's relationship with Ireland. Many claim a cultural affinity, but very few actually want to leave America and go and live there. The main ties between Israel and America are economic and military. American domination of UN Policy regarding Israel counts for a lot too.
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Post by marisol on Aug 30, 2012 19:10:24 GMT -5
Oh no not necessarily, the recruiters will say they will give you whatever you want if you will join. School is expensive and an easy way to get it is join the military. Josh knew he would be expected to go somewhere, just not so soon or while he was in school. It's just a disappoint ment.
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Post by StormInateacup on Aug 30, 2012 19:23:38 GMT -5
Another big reason for supporting Israel is that there are a lot of former Americans who emigrated there, and became citizens... there's a tie between our people that doesn't exist elsewhere. Yeah. Like the fact that its the only nation on earth you're allowed to hold dual citizenship with and still vote in the USA...as I said..a lot of domestic interests lie very much within Israel....and it has come at the cost of the genocide of the Palestinians. Fuck Israel.... Jews are not unique in having suffered you know.They're not the only people to experience a Holocaust...they just made a far better fist if the PR of it than anyone else. And as far as I read my history no Palestinian ever pushed anyone's Gran into an oven. If they were going to get a country out of it, Bavaria would have been a more just option.
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Aug 30, 2012 19:37:44 GMT -5
Someone say genocide? Check the history of the genocide perpetrated on the American Indian.
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Post by StormInateacup on Aug 30, 2012 20:04:21 GMT -5
Someone say genocide? Check the history of the genocide perpetrated on the American Indian. Yeah precisely...or the Australian aborigines or the Timorese - the Cambodians, Rwanda...Serbia.... plenty of people have suffered it. Go to east Timor and look for mass graves... they're easy to find there and all. No one else got a country and a free pass on war crimes out of it.
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Aug 30, 2012 20:21:08 GMT -5
Another big reason for supporting Israel is that there are a lot of former Americans who emigrated there, and became citizens... there's a tie between our people that doesn't exist elsewhere. as I understand it, the number of Jews in America is roughly equivalent to the number of Muslims in America, yet MOSSAD carries out a successful attack on 9/11 and suddenly the Muslims are the bogeyman!?!?
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Post by marisol on Aug 30, 2012 22:34:52 GMT -5
To hear everyone else talk America is the bad guy. So Israel is an allie, may other countries are too. I'm not prepared to say more than that.
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Post by firesong on Aug 31, 2012 17:39:21 GMT -5
Another big reason for supporting Israel is that there are a lot of former Americans who emigrated there, and became citizens... there's a tie between our people that doesn't exist elsewhere. Yeah. Like the fact that its the only nation on earth you're allowed to hold dual citizenship with and still vote in the USA...as I said..a lot of domestic interests lie very much within Israel....and it has come at the cost of the genocide of the Palestinians. Fuck Israel.... Jews are not unique in having suffered you know.They're not the only people to experience a Holocaust...they just made a far better fist if the PR of it than anyone else. And as far as I read my history no Palestinian ever pushed anyone's Gran into an oven. If they were going to get a country out of it, Bavaria would have been a more just option. Genocide? Not really; the Jews were Palestinians before they were Israelis, as were all the inhabitants of Jordan, since all of the combined land was once Palestine. The issues with the "Palestinian" refugees is that they'be been singled out, isolated by all their Arab brethren, so they could always be used as pawns against Israel. It's worked beautifully.
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Post by Random Panther on Aug 31, 2012 18:10:32 GMT -5
Someone say genocide? Check the history of the genocide perpetrated on the American Indian. The silent genocide. Written out of history in an almost Orwellian Ministry of Truth style. Same with most aboriginal or native genocides. If Thanksgiving doesn't display a certain amount of Doublethink,then Orwell was aflying dolphin. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
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Post by marisol on Sept 2, 2012 16:52:54 GMT -5
Yes it does display Doublethink. It's really just an excuse for a three or four day weekend.
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Post by marisol on Sept 2, 2012 17:14:59 GMT -5
I can't say America doesn't crave oil or power or can at times be a war-monger. We are what we are. Some of our politicians are crooks, some are not. The Republicans and Democrats are like huge corporations. There are many things here that need to be changed. I've lived here all my life and seen many bad and many good things. The future is scarey and I don't know what will happen. So why do so many want to come here to live? They come here for freedom.
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Post by marisol on Sept 2, 2012 17:58:51 GMT -5
Sorry the soap box is sitting beside me. People come here for freedom yes. Freedom of religion, free speech, an education, a better life. Some become citizens, some return to their parent country to use what they have learned there. That is what many legal aliens are doing, returning home. Illegal aliens are pouring in and are not appreciated because they can enter legally if they take the right steps. America is a country of many immigrates. They benifit from our generousity. We pay for their medical benefits, their education, housing, food,etc. Many Americans don't appreciate illegal aliens, they receive benefits that citizens don't. So are we so bad, or are we stupid. We are used for what they can get or what. Drugs come in and addict our children. Guns are sent to assist the drug trade by government agencies. Having an alliance with Israel is the least of our problems. When you have lived here, you can judge.
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