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Post by StormInateacup on Jul 20, 2012 7:16:40 GMT -5
Michelle's right. The Daily Mail, any trash current affairs programme. The fact that he works so hard will make them love him. Use the gutter nedia to your advantage.
In fact get onto Jeremy fucking Clarkson..he's bound to know of a speed camera opposition group - it's his pet project and he id always looking for test cases to show how fucking crap and inaccurate they are.
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Post by BadBeast on Aug 21, 2012 11:03:38 GMT -5
I've been in a similar situation in the UK Courts myself. I was stopped in a totally illegal car, by a Policeman who knew me. He took my details, and gave me a slip ordering me to produce my driving license (don't have one) my insurance cover (certainly didn't have any of that) my MOT (ran out 18 months before i even got the car) and there was no tax disc displayed. I totally ignored the producer, and the numerous summons sent to me for Court appearences re: the above.
Eventually, they convicted me, in my absence, of driving whilst uninsured (£400 fine) driving whilst disqualified, due to having no license (£200) Failing to show a valid excise license(£50 fine) and paying the outstanding back duty on the Car, (£450) Having no certificate of MOT (£100) and failing to appear in Court, (£75) Which I also ignored. Every 10 moths or so, they sent another summons, for non-payment of fines. This went on for about 3 or 4 years.
Then the Court issued a Bench warrant for my arrest. I was picked up in the street, by the Local Police, and taken straight to Court, to answer all the above charges, and asked why I had not paid as much as one penny of the fines.
I pleaded (On oath) with no legal representation at all, complete and utter ignorance of any such charges, claimed I didn't even know how to drive, had never held a licence, or even had lessons. Never had a car registered in my name, or been stopped for driving offences in my whole life. Also that I no longer lived at the address they'd sent the summons to, so therefore my first knowledge of anything relating to this charge, was when I was arrested earlier that morning.
The only explanation I could offer the Court was that someone had given my name and address to the DVLA when registering the Car, and subsequently given my details to the Police, when they were stopped in it. Having only an illegible carbon copy of the original document to produce as evidence against me, the Magistrates had no choice but to totally dismiss all the charges, and subsequent fines, and release me.
Which all worked out rather well. For me.
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Aug 21, 2012 14:42:45 GMT -5
I've been in a similar situation in the UK Courts myself. I was stopped in a totally illegal car, by a Policeman who knew me. He took my details, and gave me a slip ordering me to produce my driving license (don't have one) my insurance cover (certainly didn't have any of that) my MOT (ran out 18 months before i even got the car) and there was no tax disc displayed. I totally ignored the producer, and the numerous summons sent to me for Court appearences re: the above. Eventually, they convicted me, in my absence, of driving whilst uninsured (£400 fine) driving whilst disqualified, due to having no license (£200) Failing to show a valid excise license(£50 fine) and paying the outstanding back duty on the Car, (£450) Having no certificate of MOT (£100) and failing to appear in Court, (£75) Which I also ignored. Every 10 moths or so, they sent another summons, for non-payment of fines. This went on for about 3 or 4 years. Then the Court issued a Bench warrant for my arrest. I was picked up in the street, by the Local Police, and taken straight to Court, to answer all the above charges, and asked why I had not paid as much as one penny of the fines. I pleaded (On oath) with no legal representation at all, complete and utter ignorance of any such charges, claimed I didn't even know how to drive, had never held a licence, or even had lessons. Never had a car registered in my name, or been stopped for driving offences in my whole life. Also that I no longer lived at the address they'd sent the summons to, so therefore my first knowledge of anything relating to this charge, was when I was arrested earlier that morning. The only explanation I could offer the Court was that someone had given my name and address to the DVLA when registering the Car, and subsequently given my details to the Police, when they were stopped in it. Having only an illegible carbon copy of the original document to produce as evidence against me, the Magistrates had no choice but to totally dismiss all the charges, and subsequent fines, and release me. Which all worked out rather well. For me. as I understand it: a summons is legalese for an "invitation" you are entitled to make a counter offer it is illegal to fine someone before they have gone to court - so all those fines they gave you were illegal, and bank charges are probably illegal too - Bill of Rights I think then again, in certain circumstances, they will just lock you up and hit you if you try to resist... right or wrong, the police in court will probably just do whatever the judge tells them to do
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Aug 21, 2012 14:44:45 GMT -5
i want to give your answer a star but i can't!
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Post by BadBeast on Aug 21, 2012 19:09:54 GMT -5
I feel lucky enough just not to have been given 3 months for it. Which was what I was expecting. What I deserved, in fact, right up until the moment I decided to lie my fucking arse off.
I sincerely believe that in deciding to up the ante, with such a bare faced, blatant lie, I went from fully deserving 3 months for crimes committed, to risking 9 months (+6, for perjury) if I hadn't pulled it off.
Then, to totally deserving to get away with it, just for successfully bluffing the Bench into stacking, with a such a worthless hand.
The Magistrates didn't actually believe a word of what I said, but the Court Recorder told them that without any evidence to contest my word, they had to act on the only evidence they had available, which was my sworn testimony. And utter bollocks.
Poker without Cards.
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Aug 21, 2012 19:48:35 GMT -5
I feel lucky enough just not to have been given 3 months for it. Which was what I was expecting. What I deserved, in fact, right up until the moment I decided to lie my fucking arse off. I sincerely believe that in deciding to up the ante, with such a bare faced, blatant lie, I went from fully deserving 3 months for crimes committed, to risking 9 months (+6, for perjury) if I hadn't pulled it off. Then, to totally deserving to get away with it, just for successfully bluffing the Bench into stacking, with a such a worthless hand. The Magistrates didn't actually believe a word of what I said, but the Court Recorder told them that without any evidence to contest my word, they had to act on the only evidence they had available, which was my sworn testimony. And utter bollocks. Poker without Cards. technically speaking, you hadn't done anything unlawful, only illegal you never caused any loss, injury or harm... they're just annoyed that you didn't hand over any money to various 3rd parties
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Post by BadBeast on Aug 21, 2012 20:32:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that if I'd responded to the original producer, and gone to the Station, admitting I had none of the pre-requisite authorisation to drive a car, then my very admission would have laid me open to criminal charges. And that just made no sense to me at all. And answering the original summons for failing to go and grass myself up properly, made even less. Then when the fines notification came through, paying it would have been accepting the spurious Judicial process that had been enacted upon a strawman, in the absence of any corporeal entity bearing my name. Seeing as a vehicle can be legally be registered under any name, without the necessity of providing proof of identity, then I am equally at liberty to deny knowledge of any such registration process. To become the actual legal keeper of a vehicle, I have to at some point, admit taking possession of the necessary paperwork. And no such paperwork existed. And no such transaction had ever been witnessed by any Court official, or Police Officer. At the time, I just thought I was lying, in a desperate attempt to avoid prosecution. But in hindsight, I see now that I was telling the legal truth. The only legally binding statement that verified any liability (or lack of) was my sworn testimony. And to for me to contradict such a Legally binding statement, I would have been attempting to bring a spurious prosecution against myself. And I'm not sure if there's a precedent for that in English Law. And even if there was, why the fuck would I want to do such a stupid thing?
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Post by marisol on Aug 22, 2012 0:55:12 GMT -5
I've never met a lawyer that didn't say " Deny everything and trust no one".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 0:57:30 GMT -5
Jesus christ on a crutch and y'all think our legal system is borked. I've read this a few times now and I'm clueless You can register vehicles with no id? Why ever bother to register one in your name? Is it a crime to borrow a car there? I presume y'all aren't camera insane there like they are here. They suck but they can save your ass. The stoplight ones.... those suckers take amazingly good pictures. But it can also prove who is really driving. Edited because my fucking phone has a mind of it's own.
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Post by BadBeast on Aug 22, 2012 1:13:57 GMT -5
Jesus christ on a crutch and y'all think our legal system is borked. I've read this a few times now and I'm clueless You can register vehicles with no id? Why ever bother to register one in your name? Is it a crime to borrow a car there? I presume y'all aren't camera insane there like they are here. They suck but they can save your ass. The stoplight ones.... those suckers take amazingly good pictures. But it can also prove who is really driving. Edited because my fucking phone has a mind of it's own. When you buy a car here, the person you buy the car from, takes half the Log book document, with the name and address you give him, signs it himself, and it's sent off. The car then gets logged in that name, and another fresh document is sent to the address you gave. But the bloke you bought the car from is under no legal obligation to ask you for any ID. But in the UK, no-one legally "owns" their car. You are registered as the "keeper of the vehicle". And the keeper of the vehicle is whose ever name is on the Log book. And We've got more cameras than any other country. You can't get away with shit like that nowadays though, because all the Police cars have ENPR cameras hooked up to the main computer, so any car that tags as untaxed, or uninsured sets the alarm off, and the vehicle is confiscated by the pigs. Held for 2 weeks, to give you a chance to sort out the paperwork, and then crushed.
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