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Post by marisol on Apr 20, 2012 21:30:11 GMT -5
I believe having freedom places a moral duty on all of us to protect it. Everything from flying small planes, to speaking our
minds about controversial issues to the thousand other freedoms
we still enjoy- we are obligated to pass them on.
Where else in the 21st century could private citizens acquire, repair,load and fire a 57mm anti tank gun. I'm not saying every
one should run out and buy one. But we could and if we have this
much freedom in most states in America, how can we possibly hand down less to our children.
I don't want to tell my grandchildren that "Yes I used to go shoot-
ing with your Dad, but the government banned firearms"
Or "Yes we used to drive across western America, but now that's
impossible coz we would need government approved papers and proof of need to travel.
How could we look our family members in the eye 20 yrs. from now and admit"I failed to protect freedom in our country"
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Apr 20, 2012 21:37:03 GMT -5
have you caused anyone any loss, injury or harm? if not, you should be free to do whatever you want
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 20, 2012 21:47:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure what one might do with an anti tank gun other than cause injury to persons or property, but then I'm increasingly torn on the issue as it looks daily a lot more like one day (soon?) n the tanks will be turned on ourselves and then yeah you know - they'd be feckin handy so...
Ima put this one in "troublesome issues" box for now.
But yeah most freedoms are being given away like they were not hard won.
My Grandfather and father quite literally risked life and limb for the freedoms I had - Not in armed service but on picket lines and street corners - and my generation threw them away for a tax break and cheap digital TV's.
My children are once again living in a prison colony.
“Laws! We know what they are, and what they are worth! Spider webs for the rich and powerful, steel chains for the weak and poor, fishing nets in the hands of the Government.”
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 20, 2012 22:02:11 GMT -5
And furthermore!! “To be governed is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so . . .”Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.  |
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Post by bigwillybear on Apr 21, 2012 2:52:34 GMT -5
I believe having freedom places a moral duty on all of us to protect it. Everything from flying small planes, to speaking our minds about controversial issues to the thousand other freedoms we still enjoy- we are obligated to pass them on. Where else in the 21st century could private citizens acquire, repair,load and fire a 57mm anti tank gun. I'm not saying every one should run out and buy one. But we could and if we have this much freedom in most states in America, how can we possibly hand down less to our children. I don't want to tell my grandchildren that "Yes I used to go shoot- ing with your Dad, but the government banned firearms" Or "Yes we used to drive across western America, but now that's impossible coz we would need government approved papers and proof of need to travel. How could we look our family members in the eye 20 yrs. from now and admit"I failed to protect freedom in our country" Didn't notice much opposition to the patriot act and that wiped out the whole concept of civil freedom. There's nothing left to defend. |
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 21, 2012 4:13:14 GMT -5
I believe having freedom places a moral duty on all of us to protect it. Everything from flying small planes, to speaking our minds about controversial issues to the thousand other freedoms we still enjoy- we are obligated to pass them on. Where else in the 21st century could private citizens acquire, repair,load and fire a 57mm anti tank gun. I'm not saying every one should run out and buy one. But we could and if we have this much freedom in most states in America, how can we possibly hand down less to our children. I don't want to tell my grandchildren that "Yes I used to go shoot- ing with your Dad, but the government banned firearms" Or "Yes we used to drive across western America, but now that's impossible coz we would need government approved papers and proof of need to travel. How could we look our family members in the eye 20 yrs. from now and admit"I failed to protect freedom in our country" Didn't notice much opposition to the patriot act and that wiped out the whole concept of civil freedom. There's nothing left to defend. He has a point you know. |
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Post by admin on Apr 21, 2012 9:34:05 GMT -5
I see red every time I even think about TPA.
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Post by marisol on Apr 21, 2012 17:20:25 GMT -5
Give it time things will turn around.
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Post by admin on Apr 21, 2012 17:22:07 GMT -5
Google Top Secret America. Once they have power nothing short of death will ever get it back from them.
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Post by StormInateacup on Apr 21, 2012 23:13:14 GMT -5
Google Top Secret America. Once they have power nothing short of death will ever get it back from them.  |
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Post by marisol on Apr 22, 2012 15:26:38 GMT -5
Death is always possible. We may have to switch to guerilla warfare.
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Post by admin on Apr 22, 2012 15:35:33 GMT -5
"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on Apr 22, 2012 15:38:41 GMT -5
Give it time things will turn around. Yes - sooner or later, after the 9/11 security hype has died down a little more, there will be some incident hit the news where some aspect of the Patriot Act is abused so badly that the citizenry will be in an uproar. Politicians will realize that they have to get on the popular side of things, and congressional hearings will start up. And then they will roll back the worst of it and put in new protections. Or at least that's what I am hoping for. Like the Church Committee hearings in the 70s that exposed abuses by the CIA and FBI. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 8:32:38 GMT -5
Hold the fucking phone, y'all act as if we had a vote on the Patriot Act. We didn't, it was presented as a done deal and we could like it or leave the country.
I, for one, have nowhere to go outside the US.
I'm not happy about the way things have gone since 9/11, many of us aren't, however, the government put such terror in everyone right after, few have recovered and they are still seeing a terrorist around every corner and running every 7-11.
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Post by Jenne on Apr 23, 2012 8:47:41 GMT -5
The people themselves have to BELIEVE that they have been infringed upon. Many are still willing to give up freedom for "safety." Look at TSA regulations just in the last 18 months.
So before we talk about revolution, we have to talk about how everyone in the red states still seems to think Obama's a "Moose-lim" and how no one is addressing that 500 lb elephant in the living room that is American complacency. A virtually immovable modernday object.
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