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Post by firesong on Jul 26, 2012 15:32:58 GMT -5
LOL Frankly, though, that ad is an outrage. I had no idea they were that flagrantly obnoxious. I am rather stunned. I think it mostly stems from Rahm Emanuelle's attempts to bar Chic-fil-a from opening any new business in his town because they don't support same-sex marriage. I don't agree with Chic-fil-a, but barring them from business simply because of their politics is bull shit. It's also unconstitutional...
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Post by StormInateacup on Jul 26, 2012 16:30:38 GMT -5
Rahm Emmanuel is a twat.....A tool of Israel....and since when has Constitutional mattered to that lot in Washington?
They've been dismantling the thing for a decade or more.
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Post by alyceavary on Jul 26, 2012 17:53:10 GMT -5
Trying to get the info to post this on another forum, I noticed how many times it had been shared and I just had to smile.....lol I'm the barebutt Uranus avatar on there. I may have to friend you on FB......lol
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Post by Michelle on Jul 26, 2012 23:39:35 GMT -5
A purely Australian point of view is that (on the whole) America is a very religious country, while we ourselves are not so. This does not make Australia any better and I would in no way say that. However, I do feel (my own opinion) that religion really gets in the way of so many things American (such as fast food advertising apparently). You are such a foward thinking people, the rest of the world looks to you to lead the way, and you do that so brilliantly. Yet the religious side of America can seem so backwards sometimes, so fire and brimstone biblical. What you are actually seeing is a scewed version of what we really are, Michelle. You are not to blame for that, I suppose we are. That aside, the term, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" applies here. True, a large part of our population is "Christian" of some sort or another, and it's also true that they are the most vocal and consider themselves the majority. They are the majority, in context. In other words, when asked "what is your religion?" more people say Christian/Catholic than say Hindu, Wiccan, atheist or whatever. When, in fact, Christians/Catholics make up less than a third of our population, and that number is declining. The majority of us are not Christian/Catholic, the majority of us are an amazing mix of Pagan, atheist, agnostic, pantheist, naturalist and the list could go on and on. The reason behind the "religious" phenomena here is rooted in the flight from religious persecution. The original settlers came here to escape mandated religion. Too many dictatorships are based in religion, this is also why we still get, so many refugees, and legal and "illegal" immigrants. Real freedom is based on freedom of thoughts, beliefs and ideals. So, you are hearing from our loudest blowhards. But, think about it, just here on The Blue Cat you know quite a few Americans, I believe very few of us are Christian, or even religious. All I'm trying to say is, don't judge us by the squeaky wheels, most of us roll along pretty quietly and efficiently. I do see where you are coming from. Having never been to America (something I'd like to do one day) I only have what I see on TV to go by. Many of our TV shows over here are American. Cops, American Idol, Simpsons, etc. Many of these shows do depict a very christian America with everyone thanking God for this or praising God for that. It wasn't so long ago that we had such shows as "The Hour of Power" and other religious shows where it was all American glamour and glitz as we all prayed to God and thanked our Lord Jesus. This is just what we saw on our TVs. This is how we saw America. Obviously it's not really like that, but even today the 6 o'clock News will still depict the most vocal as being representative of everyone. And it still colours the way the world sees you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 0:08:08 GMT -5
I can understand Michelle, I guess that's one of the reasons I go around mouthing off about the whole thing, loudly and annoyingly. The rest of the world needs to know that we aren't ALL from the bible belt.
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Post by Michelle on Jul 27, 2012 2:08:14 GMT -5
Lol. Gotha on that one. We're all going to Hell in a hand-basket.
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Post by firesong on Jul 30, 2012 15:28:34 GMT -5
I can understand Michelle, I guess that's one of the reasons I go around mouthing off about the whole thing, loudly and annoyingly. The rest of the world needs to know that we aren't ALL from the bible belt. And even many of us who are actually Christians, aren't as we're described... like me... I practice witchcraft and I haven't tried to tie anyone to a stake in years...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:35:47 GMT -5
I can understand Michelle, I guess that's one of the reasons I go around mouthing off about the whole thing, loudly and annoyingly. The rest of the world needs to know that we aren't ALL from the bible belt. And even many of us who are actually Christians, aren't as we're described... like me... I practice witchcraft and I haven't tried to tie anyone to a stake in years... At least not without a safe word.......
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Post by alyceavary on Aug 8, 2012 18:03:53 GMT -5
So as I have been dropping my daughter off at school, I have noticed the sign on one of the 20 churches in this town of 400 people. It says:
"Christians take a stand. Eat more chicken. Support Chick Filet"
I KID you NOT!! I swear, I'm going to take a pic and post it. If you're going to support a business, at least spell the business' name correctly! Stupid inbred rednecks. LOL
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Post by BadBeast on Nov 13, 2012 2:53:50 GMT -5
I don't even know what an ironic am.
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Post by Jenne on Nov 14, 2012 0:50:09 GMT -5
BB, you are quite intent on thread skullduggery.
Do continue, it livens the place a bit. (if only a teensy bit)
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Post by BadBeast on Nov 14, 2012 12:26:35 GMT -5
Well, I liked where this thread seemed to be going before it petered out. It was kinda building up to people challenging their religious prejudices, if only by having another lulzy poke at America's religious right. And while they are usually deserving of any scorn heaped upon them by clearer thinking folks, it doesn't achieve much, apart from shits and giggles. (Worthy enough, for sure, but don't kid yourselves it's doing anything more than than that)
They're an easy target, yes, and there's more than enough ammunition to keep everyone mocking and deriding them until Bongwater Day, but it doesn't actually do any good. These people thrive on scorn, they feed on the antagonism, and it makes them more resolute, more determined, and more polarised, and when you think of the actual power the religious right have, that is a very dangerous path to be taking. Separation of Church and State sounds very nice on paper, but it means absolutely nothing to those who seek the votes of these superstitious zealots. All it's going to take is one charismatic man, armed with Religion to slip through the net, and I can see America becoming the monster every conspiracy theorist expects them to.
It's bad enough as it s, with the old political dividing lines between democrat and republican becoming less and less defined. Especially in a populace who are used to the political dynamicof a two party system. When the party politics fail to provide that comfortable polarisation, that will leave a power vacuum that only Religion is going to be able to fill.
Enter, Tomas de Torquemada. A man who knows how to draw a new line in the sand. He has hold of the old tools, that politicians tossed out, in their mad rush to get their snouts in the trough at DC. He;s been resolutely following behind, a familiar face, one that often makes much noise, and commotion, roars a lot, and is a bit of a nuisance sometimes, like a racist old Grandfather, who's had a drink at a family barbecue, and starts muttering about "niggers and goddam kikes everywhere".
An unpleasant old bastard, but one that everyone believes to be toothless because of TSoC&S. And by the time your elected representatives have realised their mistake, everyone is caught up in the snake oil charisma of this new Mountebank. They try to show a united front, but that's hard to do when you're stood over the butchered, sizzling carcass of the American dream, with a knife in your hand, and gravy running down your big, fat political double chins.
It's the kind of thing that takes a Nation overnight, and spreads like wildfire. When the politics is left in the hands of those unfit to wield it, it isn't reason that comes riding to the rescue. It's the remnants of the last ruling elite, desperately seeking a new lease of the life they think they were cheated out of.
Suddenly they can jump up and screech at the people "We told you so". And their words will have a new burst of truth at that moment. And that's all it takes, to seize control, a moment. And Religion is one tenacious old fucker, well used to lurking in the shadows waiting for "the moment". If it times it right, Religious Zeal replaces Patriotism. Political reform becomes Jihad. Foreign Policy becomes irrelevant. Diplomacy is replaced by Evangelism. And Soldiers become Crusaders.
Here in Europe, even in the UK, we had fucking Centuries of it. Roman Imperialism, co-opted by The Church, and loosed upon the poor uneducated people. Ground under the sandal heel of The Pope's Priestly Legions. The fucking Domino Canis, or "Hounds of God", sniffing out heresy, appointing their Inquisitors to carry out the pogroms necessary for Mother Church to prosper. Then sending the Franciscans in afterwards, teaching people how to make a virtue out of fucking MEEKNESS!
No redeemer, this dead Christ they carried before them, but a ghastly flag of tortured sacrifice. No nurturing Mother, this Maria Dolorosa, her dying son, bleeding out in her lap. And you know what happens when she looks up? She has no onus of forgiveness welded to her visage by The Church. Only the accusatory look in her eye, "Who did this? Who committed this outrage upon my beautiful Son"? And all the good Christian folks, their hearts moved by the honest grief of a Mother for her son, look around for someone to blame.
So begins a systematic purging of the Jew. Driven from land to land, always on the outskirts of society, despised and reviled, for a crime they were no more responsible for than they were the wind, or the sea. Now being a wise and clever folk, and opportunistic, they sought security the only way they could. Through the accumulation of wealth. The usurous lending of money at interest was considered a grave and mortal Sin by the Christians, and later, the Moslems. But the Jew had no such religious bar. So, stateless, and with no Kings or Leaders to look up to, they became the Bankers to the European Kings. They became wealthy and powerful, but were still despised. They made a virtue out of humility, and remained pious, kept the Laws of their God as best they could. But the greed of the Christians knew no bounds. When Jerusalem and the Holy Lands were settled by the Mohammodans, Godless Barbarian followers of a false Prophet, (nevertheless, learned, cultured, and wealthy, magnaminus in victory, and largely tolerant of ((gasp)) The Jews, who they shared their lands with)
The greedy Christian Kings, with the sanction of their Pimping Pope, decide to take Jerusalem back for the Christians, and drive the Saracens back into the deserts from whence they came. (And the wealth plundered from The Holy Land would free them from any debts to the Jewish Bankers) So an age of Crusades began.
Anyway, this is what happens when Religion replaces common sense, When Meritocracy is thrown aside for the jingoism of a good campaign. When powerful men's greed for wealth begins to devour our children in the ugly brutality of pointless War. For fuck's sake, Europe lost virtually two out of the last five generations of it's menfolk, in unprecedented industrial scale slaughter, and for what? WWI just happened along, almost as if by accident. A War that was as inevitable as it was, pointless, and horrific. And what about afterwards? All the Armistice did was provide a "half time" period to restock on people to kill each other before the next round. And afterwards? We are still on the verge of fucking Armagerddon, because the way the winning side carved up the spoils, just lit the flame for the next century to be just as full of bloodshed!
Fuck War, and fuck the people who profit from it. Do my Grandfather's, and my Great Grandfather's bones lie bleaching in the sun, under some foreign sky, with no marker, or witness to see where they fell, just so that their descendents could go through the same grisly horrors that they did? Sent to War by the descendents of the same motherfuckers who sent them out to die, for "King and Country"? Or "Freedom and Democracy". Or whatever fucking buzzwords they are using this time?
We fall for it time after fucking time, our Invading Armies become our Expeditionary Force, and now, these same people are calling Wars, "Peace Processes"! Occupying Troops, are now "Peacekeepers" Strategic plans for Invasion are called "Roadmaps to Peace"! Are we ever going to fucking learn? Why do we let these fucking monsters tell us who "the enemy" is? Again and again? Mr Taliban, Mr Terrorist, Al Quieda, the Fucking Real IRA, these are not my enemies. I choose my own enemy, and when he's marching up my garden path, with murderous intent, I shall kill him, or he will kill me. THAT'S how it works.
But seeing as I am not seeking any enemy, and nor do I have anything that might be worth someone naming me enemy, in order to take, then my only enemies are those MEN who start Wars. The men who invest in Wars. Men who profit from misery, or exploit their position to fleece another generation out of everything they've worked for in the name of "Economics".
These are not people, not humans as we understand them. These are perverts who predate on their own species. Who found Dynasties of other, equally inhuman descendents, who thrive from exploitation and grow strong on the blood of our children yet unborn. We know the patterns, we know what happens next, we know who they are, and we know where they fucking live. Isn't it about time we went round and had a fucking word? See if we can't dissuade then from their unacceptable behavior? Upon my oath, I don't want to have to kill anyone, but I could cheerfully murder these bastards in their beds, if they don't Just. Fucking. Stop it. M'kay?
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Post by BadBeast on Nov 14, 2012 12:33:54 GMT -5
Teensy bit? Haha, you picked the wrong night for "teensy bit" Jenne. I am mighty, hear me Raawr!
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Nov 14, 2012 13:52:06 GMT -5
BB, that was an incredible read.
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Post by marisol on Nov 14, 2012 14:23:00 GMT -5
BB you should have been a politician. Americans are tired of being the so called "leaders of the world". Who ever asked the citizens of the US if they wanted to do that? We have poor that wander the street and freeze to death in the winter, we have starving children. Do you think our black and white president that travels the globe on our backs to bow to those that pervert humanity is going to save us? We had the chance to save ourselves, but money will buy anything. It has for now, but even the rich and powerful fall before bullets. What does religion have to do with that? Our president has no religion of worth, he prays to money and power. He will walk on our backs through the battlefield and call himself God of the World. Religion will not be our downfall, it will be the man that only cares for money and power.
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