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Post by User on May 15, 2012 14:41:37 GMT -5
You guys do realize that this sounds suspiciously like an email forward and the small arms treaty is about international gun trade, right?
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Post by The Mad Hatter on May 15, 2012 14:42:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 14:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by marisol on May 17, 2012 0:39:12 GMT -5
I's ok just do this it always makes me feel better.
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Post by firesong on May 18, 2012 15:04:17 GMT -5
This really is an attack on the ability of citizens to defend themselves. Not against a robber or a mugger so much as against their own governments. It is far from being just the US this is aimed at. Let's keep in mind it is thr WORLD Treaty on Small Arms. Face facts. In the past century as the linked article points out, more civilians have died at the hands of their own rulers than have been the victims of crime or casualties in a war of aggression. Mao, Stalin, Peron, Marcos, that cunt in Brazil, (forgot his name) the junta in Argentina, Pinochet - It IS a step in the inexorable journey to oppress and subjugate and enslave us all. When we no longer have the means to rebel they can dio as they please and shoot us down in the streets as we bleat. Seriously. Liberal gun control advocates need to put aside a life time of prejudice and propaganda about "what kind of person owns a gun" and start hoping like hell they haven't left it all too late to wake up to what is happening here. I live in a country in which private gun ownership has been all but eradicated and since that happened I have watched as freedom after freedom has been taken from us in bits and pieces and special legislation and wars on bike gangs and I am here to tell you - do NOT allow it to happen in your country. I seems that signing this treaty will indeed over ride the right of states to make gun laws. It's a major blow - another one to both the Second AND the Tenth Amendments. eta: Forgot me link www.thedailybell.com/2843/Adrian-Krieg-The-Proposed-UN-Small-Arms-Treaty-pushed-by-Hillary-Clintonexactly. if you read the federalist papers, written by the founders of the constitution and should be read alongside the constitution, it says exactly that. gives the civilians a chance to defend themselves against the government, same way they did. although really, we couldn't defend ourselves even if we tried what with all the technology the military has. we'll just have to rely on the hope that our servicemen and women won't turn their weapons on the people they're sworn to protect. It's also been interpreted that way by the US Supreme court, who have recognized that the hand gun is the primary weapon of choice for home defense...
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Post by Tofu DeBeast on May 18, 2012 15:32:39 GMT -5
exactly. if you read the federalist papers, written by the founders of the constitution and should be read alongside the constitution, it says exactly that. gives the civilians a chance to defend themselves against the government, same way they did. although really, we couldn't defend ourselves even if we tried what with all the technology the military has. we'll just have to rely on the hope that our servicemen and women won't turn their weapons on the people they're sworn to protect. It's also been interpreted that way by the US Supreme court, who have recognized that the hand gun is the primary weapon of choice for home defense... You can still list my opinion as "mixed" when it comes to gun control. I live in a country that does have pretty strong gun rights (US) but yet we too have watched our freedoms slip away over the past decade. I can see the point of having an armed populace to keep the government in check, yet that kind of thinking also leads to nut jobs like Timothy McVeigh blowing up federal buildings. Who is to say when the government is overstepping its authority? A bunch of heavily-armed neo-nazis, like we used to have here in Idaho ten years ago, before they were sued into oblivion for shooting at and running a woman off the road that ventured too close to their compound? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations#Shooting_and_lawsuitI am for at least some gun control. Require licenses and register all of them. Heck it's the same thing we do with cars, which also have great potential to cause damage.
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Post by watershield on Jun 6, 2012 21:36:27 GMT -5
I support some gun control as well. Fully automatic and semi automatic weapons should be controlled or eliminated.
If you want the same rights to bear arms as your forefathers, buy a musket. Did anyone even bother to read the snoops link user posted because it's bang on! This whole thing is a hoax and a few people have taken the bait, hook line and sinker. All worked up over nothing....and still ragging on about it.
M, defend your rights by all means, but learn to get some back ground fact, dig for the truth before starting petitions and waving the flag.
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Post by marisol on Jun 6, 2012 23:05:59 GMT -5
Ws are you getting cranky with me again? I hope not, you know I hate it when you get upset. You're mostly such a sweet man.
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Post by watershield on Jun 7, 2012 0:21:10 GMT -5
Not with you babe, just the idea that you need to defend your rights when the only thing challenging them is a hoax.
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Post by marisol on Jun 7, 2012 14:36:07 GMT -5
Well you taught me to read snopes. So I am learning.
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Post by marisol on Sept 23, 2012 13:01:36 GMT -5
[/img] Yeah its all a hoax. Attachments:
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Post by marisol on Sept 23, 2012 13:08:19 GMT -5
[/img] Attachments:
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Post by The Mad Hatter on Sept 23, 2012 16:22:20 GMT -5
Regardless, I am disinclined to give up my guns. To anybody.
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Post by ayezatulbrite on Sept 23, 2012 21:09:09 GMT -5
meanwhile the Department of Homeland Security orders another squillion zillion rounds of ammunition..... or maybe the ammunition is being secretly siphoned off to Syria
anyway, the US constitution is already shafted thanks to the TPP signed by Obama in secret
Americans will be rounded up at gun point sooner or later.... I'll get my tin foil hat!
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Post by marisol on Oct 7, 2012 16:32:06 GMT -5
They can't take what they can't find.
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